NATS -Strange Routing

stratfordman · **Joined:** Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:50 pm **Posts:** 32

I have really had excellent help from Ernie in understanding and compiling NATS routing.I have no problems with the East Bound routes but my problem arises when compiling an West Bound route.

For Example I have today tried to plan a flight from EGLL to KSEA.

I decided to use Track A and manually entered the following;

EGLL * ERAKA TRACKA HO * KSEA and I then autogenerated the route.

However,I then received a route of 6144 n miles when the true distance is about 4155 nmiles.

When I looked at the map I left EGLL went to the North West of Ireland over the atlantic then came back over to switzerland and then from there over to KSEA-an additional 2000 miles or so.

I would love to know where I have gone wrong here as there were no co ordinates in the plan for the atlantic crossing.The 2 entry and departure points i.e.Eraka and HO were both together in the plan with nothing in between them.

I would welcome any help/advice please.

Incidentally I had the same issue yesterday in trying to plan a EGBE to KBOS flight.

Many thanks in anticipation.

Norman · **Joined:** Thu Aug 11, 2005 6:47 pm **Posts:** 14

HO is your point in Switzerland.

The NAT is wrongly named. TRAKA (no C)

Try EGLL * SUNOT TRAKA YDP * KSEA

The current set of tracks show those as the entry / exit points - www.fsbuild.com/nat/pilotweb.nas.faa.go ... n/nat.html

stratfordman · **Joined:** Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:50 pm **Posts:** 32

Hi Norman,

Many thanks for your reply.

Yes,I put in your suggested track and achieved a dircet routing from EGLL to KSEA without the previous' diversion'.

I am fairly new to NATS and I noticed that going from East to West' Sunot' was my Atlantic entry point and then' YDP' on the other side.However,I was under the impression that I should see co-ordinate numbers between these 2 points in order to guide me accross the 'pond'-am I right or wrong here?

I should be obliged if you could advise me further and again I thank you for your invaluable help.

Michael

Norman · **Joined:** Thu Aug 11, 2005 6:47 pm **Posts:** 14

Michael,

When I autogen the route I gave it turns to

EGLL DIGUT UN859 HON UL10 IOM UL10 MIMKU SUNOT TRAKA YDP MCKEE SCAD PIGLA 5388N YTL AR19 YIV BR5 YNE YOUNG J530 GGRBI MLP.GLASR8 KSEA

If I click on Navlog I get the following:

Code:

<FONT FACE="ARIAL" STYLE="FONT-SIZE: 9PT"><B><PRE>
                      FSBUILD FLIGHT PLAN
BLOCK TIMES        FLIGHT TIMES        FUEL

IN    . . . . .    ON     . . . .      TAKEOFF . . . .
OUT   . . . . .    OFF    . . . .      LANDING . . . .
TOTAL . . . . .    TOTAL  . . . .      BURNOFF . . . .

FLT REL IFR KNT544   EGLL-27L/KSEA-34L  MACH 82  A/C  A340-212 W/ CMF56-5C3
           FUEL  TIME    CORR   TOGWT    LDGWT   AVG W/C
TAXI      000350 0010  . . . .  210451   156790  M018
DEST KSEA 053661 1001  . . . .  ELEV. 433 FT
RESV      003800 0046  . . . .
ALTN      001999 0024  . . . .  ALTN KBFI   DIST  4
HOLD      002190 0030  . . . .
EXTRA     000000 0000  . . . .  ZFW 148800      PAYLOAD 021000
TTL AT TO 061651 1137  . . . .                  DIST  4512
REQD      062001 1147  . . . .                  ETD

CLB BIAS 0.0%  CRZ BIAS 0.0%   DSC BIAS 0.0%
DEP BIAS 0 MIN 0 DIST 0 FUEL, ARR BIAS 0 MIN 330 FUEL

EGLL DIGUT UN859 HON UL10 IOM UL10 MIMKU SUNOT TRAKA YDP MCKEE SCAD PIGLA 5388N YTL AR19 YIV BR5 YNE YOUNG J530 GGRBI MLP.GLASR8 KSEA/1001

                        M/H FL                   WIND   ATC
TO          NM  AWY     M/C TAS G/S   ZT  ACTME ETA ATA  ACBO ABO REM AREM

 N5139.0/W0117.9        289 CLB                 260019  LON
DIGUT       033 DCT     290 328 311 00/06 00/06 .../... 0008/... 0608/...

 N5146.2/W0121.6        341 CLB                 276016  LON
KIDLI       008 UN859   344 328 322 00/01 00/07 .../... 0010/... 0606/...

 N5221.4/W0139.8        341 CLB                 281020  LON
HON 113.65  037 UN859   344 328 327 00/06 00/14 .../... 0018/... 0597/...

 N5241.1/W0204.9        312 CLB                 225055  LON
TOC         025 UL10    322 328 332 00/04 00/19 .../... 0024/... 0591/...

 N5323.5/W0308.0        319 380                 236027  LON
WAL 114.10  011 UL10    323 399 395 00/00 00/19 .../... 0025/... 0591/...

 N5336.9/W0339.8        306 380                 247024  LON
PENIL       023 UL10    308 470 458 00/03 00/22 .../... 0029/... 0587/...

 N5354.3/W0421.8        306 380                 242021  LON
KELLY       030 UL10    308 470 458 00/03 00/26 .../... 0034/... 0582/...

 N5404.0/W0445.8        307 380                 278017  LON
IOM 112.20  017 UL10    308 470 455 00/02 00/28 .../... 0037/... 0579/...

 N5423.8/W0534.2        308 380                 278017  EGPX
RINGA       035 UL10    309 470 455 00/04 00/33 .../... 0043/... 0573/...

 N5439.6/W0613.7        308 380                 310014  EGPX
BEL 117.20  028 UL10    308 470 457 00/03 00/36 .../... 0047/... 0568/...

 N5503.9/W0717.4        309 380                 310014  EISN
BEL44       044 UL10    308 470 457 00/05 00/42 .../... 0055/... 0561/...

 N5521.0/W0804.0        309 380                 326018  EGPX
BEL76       032 UL10    309 470 454 00/04 00/46 .../... 0060/... 0555/...

 N5600.0/W1000.0        308 380                 326018  EGPX
MIMKU       076 UL10    307 470 454 00/10 00/56 .../... 0070/... 0546/...

 N5700.0/W1500.0        300 380                 336018  EGGX
SUNOT       176 DCT     299 470 460 00/23 01/19 .../... 0091/... 0524/...

 N5700.0/W2000.0        284 380                 351018  EGGX
5720N       163 TRAKA   282 470 468 00/20 01/40 .../... 0111/... 0505/...

 N5800.0/W3000.0        307 380                 023087  CZQX
5830N       328 TRAKA   296 471 485 00/40 02/21 .../... 0148/... 0467/...

 N5800.0/W4000.0        291 380                 173009  CZQX
5840N       318 TRAKA   292 470 478 00/39 03/01 .../... 0184/... 0431/...

 N5800.0/W5000.0        291 380                 164043  CZQX
5850N       318 TRAKA   296 470 481 00/39 03/40 .../... 0219/... 0396/...

 N5712.1/W5910.7        286 380                 163038  CZQX
PRAWN       299 TRAKA   290 470 467 00/38 04/19 .../... 0252/... 0363/...

 N5632.0/W6141.5        270 380                 241015  CZQX
YDP 247.00  092 TRAKA   271 470 456 00/12 04/31 .../... 0263/... 0353/...

 N5640.3/W6659.9        298 380                 241015  CZUL
MCKEE       175 DCT     299 470 455 00/23 04/54 .../... 0282/... 0333/...

 N5419.9/W8000.0        282 380                 250021  CZUL
PIGLA       463 SCAD    282 470 446 01/02 05/56 .../... 0334/... 0282/...

 N5300.0/W8800.0        275 380                 302037  CZWG
5388N       295 DCT     272 470 443 00/40 06/36 .../... 0367/... 0249/...

 N5348.9/W8954.7        311 380                 299045  CZWG
YTL 328.00  084 DCT     312 470 426 00/11 06/48 .../... 0376/... 0239/...

 N5351.2/W9439.1        280 380                 299048  CZWG
YIV 300.00  168 AR19    277 470 426 00/23 07/12 .../... 0396/... 0220/...

 N5358.3/W9750.4        275 380                 295049  CZWG
YNE 207.00  113 BR5     273 470 424 00/15 07/28 .../... 0409/... 0207/...

 N5151.2/W10506.4       247 380                 288048  CZWG
YOUNG       292 DCT     243 470 432 00/40 08/08 .../... 0442/... 0174/...

 N5017.8/W10741.4       218 380                 257043  CZWG
YYN 117.40  135 J530    215 470 430 00/18 08/27 .../... 0457/... 0158/...

 N4900.0/W10927.4       212 380                 244052  SLC
GGRBI       104 J530    209 470 426 00/14 08/42 .../... 0469/... 0146/...

 N4727.4/W11538.7       236 380                 237058  SEA
MLP 117.80  264 DCT     238 470 420 00/37 09/20 .../... 0500/... 0116/...

 N4733.8/W11737.6       255 380                 231042  SEA
GEG 115.50  081 GLASR8  259 470 440 00/10 09/31 .../... 0509/... 0107/...

 N4743.7/W11929.0       258 380                 233035  SEA
TEMPL       076 GLASR8  261 469 447 00/10 09/41 .../... 0517/... 0098/...

 N4740.7/W11953.9       256 380                 226033  SEA
TOD         017 GLASR8  259 470 450 00/02 09/43 .../... 0519/... 0096/...

 N4746.8/W12008.1       255 DSC                 226033  SEA
WITRO       009 GLASR8  258 397 387 00/01 09/44 .../... 0520/... 0096/...

 N4749.6/W12047.9       255 DSC                 237029  SEA
SWAUK       027 GLASR8  258 387 365 00/04 09/49 .../... 0523/... 0092/...

 N4751.2/W12111.5       255 DSC                 240025  SEA
GLASR       016 GLASR8  257 387 367 00/02 09/51 .../... 0525/... 0090/...

 N4753.1/W12142.2       255 DSC                 238027  SEA
JAKSN       021 GLASR8  257 387 366 00/03 09/55 .../... 0528/... 0087/...

 N4746.1/W12151.7       204 DSC                 226022  SEA
WOODI      0010 GLASR8  204 387 366 00/01 09/56 .../... 0529/... 0086/...

 N4733.5/W12208.6       203 DSC                 215013  SEA
HETHR       017 GLASR8  204 387 375 00/02 09/59 .../... 0532/... 0084/...

 N4726.9/W12218.7       207 DSC                 215013  SEA
KSEA        009 GLASR8  207 387 375 00/01 10/01 .../... 0536/... 0079/...


----------------------------------------------------------------------

(FPL-KNT544=IS
-A340
-ZZZZ-EGLL0000
-N0450380 EGLL DIGUT UN859 HON UL10 IOM UL10 MIMKU SUNOT TRAKA YDP MCKEE SCAD PIGLA 5388N YTL AR19 YIV BR5 YNE YOUNG J530 GGRBI MLP.GLASR8 KSEA
-KSEA1001 KBFI
-)
</PRE></B></FONT>

As you can see, all the points across the track are there. Are you not seeing that? Are you getting the tracks downloaded ok?

stratfordman · **Joined:** Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:50 pm **Posts:** 32

Hi Again,

No,in the navlog I am not seeing the co-ordinates between sunot and ydp.

Would appreciate further assistance.

Michael

Norman · **Joined:** Thu Aug 11, 2005 6:47 pm **Posts:** 14

Post your fsbuild2.cfg file please.

stratfordman · **Joined:** Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:50 pm **Posts:** 32

I am having difficulty in attaching the cfg file to this post.

Can I send this to an E Mail address please.

Michael

stratfordman · **Joined:** Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:50 pm **Posts:** 32

Having gone back and checked the details i can confirm that my Autogen Route is exactly the same as the one you produced.

As far as the Nav Log is concerned it is more or less the same apart from the ommision of TrakA airways between SUNOT and YDP and therefore no co
-ordinates show up-quite strange.
I have tried to attach a copy of my FS BUILD cfg but the system will not let me do this,so maybe an E Mail address might help.

Many thanks.

Michael

Norman · **Joined:** Thu Aug 11, 2005 6:47 pm **Posts:** 14

Simply copy and paste it here - maybe others will see it and be able to help too.

stratfordman · **Joined:** Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:50 pm **Posts:** 32

Hi Norman,

Once again many thanks for your reply.

Although I am not that 'techy' I know how to copy and paste.

However when I go into my FS Build cfg file and click copy when I come back into this page it does not allow me paste.

Can you walk me through the easiest method of doing this.

Again thanks for your help.

Michael

Norman · **Joined:** Thu Aug 11, 2005 6:47 pm **Posts:** 14

The file uploader doesnt allow .cfg files.

Browse to the file.
Open it using notepad.
Press Ctrl A
Press Ctrl C

Now go to your new reply.
In the white box press Ctrl V

Press submit :)

ubersu2 · **Joined:** Sat Mar 05, 2011 7:39 pm **Posts:** 342

stratfordman wrote:

Hi Norman,

Once again many thanks for your reply.

Although I am not that 'techy' I know how to copy and paste.

However when I go into my FS Build cfg file and click copy when I come back into this page it does not allow me paste.

Can you walk me through the easiest method of doing this.

Again thanks for your help.

Michael

Open the fsbuild2.cfg file in Notepad - go to Edit and chose "Select All" then press "Control C". Come to the forum and open a new message and press "Control V" and the text will be entered into the message box.

DJ

stratfordman · **Joined:** Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:50 pm **Posts:** 32

[FSBUILD]
AUTOREFRESH_DELAY=1
AIRCRAFT=B767-300 Level-D
SBPC_SERVER=vatsim.net
ROUTELINE=1
AUTOGEN_RTE_LIMIT=2000
NAVLOGTITLE=AMERICA WEST VIRTUAL
NAVLOGIMAGEBOTTOM=750
NAVLOGIMAGELEFT=20
NAVLOGTEXTTOP=720
NAVLOGIMAGEFILE=awebanner.jpg
NAVCHKDUPDIST=100
WEATHERPROG=INFOMETAR

[MS-FLIGHTSIMULATOR]
FS_HOME=C:\PROGRAM FILES (X86)\MICROSOFT GAMES\MICROSOFT FLIGHT SIMULATOR X
F1ATR72_RTE=C:\PROGRAM FILES (X86)\MICROSOFT GAMES\MICROSOFT FLIGHT SIMULATOR X\Flight One S
SSWA310_FPN=C:\FS\FS2002\SSW
SB3_FP=S:\SB4
FSINN_FP=S:\FSFDT\FSCOPILOT\FLIGHTPLANS
IVAP_FP=C:\FS\IVAO\IVAP
FSACARS_FSA=C:\FS\FSACARS
FSC_PLN=C:\FS\FSC
VASFMC_FMC=C:\FS\VASFMC
FPI_FSB=C:\FS\FPI CLIENT
FSMETEO=C:\FS\FSMETEO
ACTIVESKY=C:\FS\FS2004\MODULES\ASV6
WEATHERCTR=C:\FS\FS2002\MODULES\WEATHERCENTER2\OFFLINE2.WCA
GATEKEEPER=C:\PROGRAM FILES\GATEKEEPER
MAPCREATE=C:\FS\MAPCREATE

[FLY!]
INFOMETAR=C:\FS\FLY! II\INFOMETAR

[PS1]
PS1_FMS=C:\FS\PS13

[X-PLANE]
XPLANE_HOME=C:\FS\XPLANE8

[STARTUP]
TOC_TOD
CLEARMAP_BEFORE_BUILD
DISPRTEWPTSONMAP
WINDS_ALOFT
RVSM_FL
FS2000_GPS
AUTOREFRESH_ON
LOADNATS
LOADPATCOSWNATS

stratfordman · **Joined:** Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:50 pm **Posts:** 32

Hi Norman,

Thanks for the help in assisting me to upload my FSBUILD cfg file.

I look forward to hearing from you.

Michael

Norman · **Joined:** Thu Aug 11, 2005 6:47 pm **Posts:** 14

You are missing the most important line from [fsbuild] for your issue.

NATRAKURL=www.fsbuild.com/nat/pilotweb.nas.faa.gov/common/nat.html

Paste that into your .cfg and start FSB.

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