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PostPosted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 6:13 pm 
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Ernie,

Will the integration with the new Active Sky Advanced (ASA) be realized in the same way as with the older versions of Active Sky ?

Rgds
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 11:28 pm 
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aua668 wrote:
Ernie,

Will the integration with the new Active Sky Advanced (ASA) be realized in the same way as with the older versions of Active Sky ?

Rgds
Reinhard


Just change the directory setting for ASA. As far as we've heard that is all that is needed.

See this thread on hifi's their forum for more details.

http://forums1.avsim.net/index.php?showtopic=238085

Regards.
Ernie.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 7:13 am 
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Ernie,

Thanks for the quick reply. It doesn't seem to be so simple. I have tested in the meanwhile a lot with ASA and ASV6. The winds aloft are totally different, when I changed to the ASA directory. I investigated more in detail, that with ASA FSBuild takes totally wrong weather stations when I include the station column instead of ETA. With ASV6 FSBuild takes exactly the same stations as in the ASV6 NavLog.

I will post this also in the ASA forum because they must have changed something. If you need some samples I can provide them to you.

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aua668 wrote:
Ernie,

Thanks for the quick reply. It doesn't seem to be so simple. I have tested in the meanwhile a lot with ASA and ASV6. The winds aloft are totally different, when I changed to the ASA directory. I investigated more in detail, that with ASA FSBuild takes totally wrong weather stations when I include the station column instead of ETA. With ASV6 FSBuild takes exactly the same stations as in the ASV6 NavLog.

I will post this also in the ASA forum because they must have changed something. If you need some samples I can provide them to you.

Best regards
Reinhard


Correct, I noticed this too but it seems nobody uses FSBuild winds aloft. For me this is critical, otherwise you end with wrong fuel calculations!!


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Hi,

I am using the winds aloft - so am I nobody :) :) :)
In fact it works well with AS6.5 but doesn't work with ASA.
I am using Win XP and FS9.1 and the latest hotfix of FSBuild.
So I stayed in the moment with AS6.5 until it's clear, what they changed.

Rgds
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aua668 wrote:
until it's clear, what they changed.


In fact, they didn't change the format of current_wx_snapshot
They just changed the way weather is depicted using 'interpolation'

The bug, is that they should interpolate Wx Stations for CLOUD data, but not for winds aloft, as this would render the current_wx_snapshot useless for programs such as FSBuild.

FSBuild, is in fact reporting the CORRECT data, because FSBuild uses the closest station to the waypoint to obtain aloft winds (which is the right method). ASA, in the other hand takes the wind aloft data from the station that its internal algorithm for interpolation tells it to use.

So, in short... there is no bug with FSBuild or the data it reads, its the so called 'interpolation' messing things up. But HiFi still doesn't acknoledge this to be a problem (yet)


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Hi,

And it's even a little bit more complicated. First of all there IS a minor bug in FSBuild. In the combination with ASv6 I entered the following flightplan:

EDDF ANEK5L ANEKI Y163 HERBI Y164 OLBEN UN869 TBO UN995 PPN UN976 VIS UN872 FTM FTM7B LPPT

I downloaded the current weather and produced the Navlog including winds aloft and showing the WxStations instead of the ETA column. That's the result:

Code:
               COMPANY FLIGHT PLAN

FLT REL IFR AUA668   EDDF-25R/LPPT-03  MACH 78  A/C  A320-214 / CFM56-5

           FUEL  TIME    CORR   TOGWT    LDGWT   AVG W/C

TAXI      000480 0016  . . . .  149642   134765  M031

DEST LPPT 014878 0238  . . . .  ELEV. 374 FT

RESV      000893 0010  . . . .

ALTN      001581 0017  . . . .  ALTN LPFR   DIST  119

HOLD      001773 0020  . . . .

EXTRA     005318 0100  . . . .  ZFW 125200      PAYLOAD 031700

TTL AT TO 024442 0425  . . . .                  DIST  1091

REQD      024922 0441  . . . .                  ETD  1200



CLB BIAS +0.0%  CRZ BIAS +0.0%   DSC BIAS +0.0%

DEP BIAS 0 MIN 0 DIST 0 FUEL, ARR BIAS 0 MIN 0 FUEL



EDDF ANEK5L ANEKI Y163 HERBI Y164 OLBEN UN869 TBO UN995 PPN UN976 VIS UN872 FTM FTM7B LPPT/0238



                        M/H FL                   WIND      ATC

TO          NM  AWY     M/C TAS G/S   ZT  ACTME STA/CODE   ACBO ABO REM AREM



 N5001.7/E0831.1        270 CLB                 299004     EDFF

DF134       002 ANEK6G  270 154 151 00/00 00/00 EDDF/     0002/... 0242/...



 N5001.0/E0830.1        270  20                 299004     EDFF

DF141       001 ANEK6G  270 155 152 00/00 00/01 EDDF/     0002/... 0241/...



 N4958.9/E0828.9        204 CLB                 299004     EDFF

DF143       003 ANEK6G  203 163 163 00/01 00/02 EDDF/     0006/... 0238/...



 N4957.9/E0831.7        116 CLB                 002005     EDFF

DF137       002 ANEK6G  117 221 223 00/00 00/02 EDDF/     0007/... 0236/...



 N4946.9/E0832.4        176 CLB                 002005     EDFF

RID 112.20  011 ANEK6G  176 272 276 00/02 00/05 EDDF/     0013/... 0230/...



 N4919.0/E0828.8        187 CLB                 320014     EDFF

ANEKI       027 ANEK6G  185 367 376 00/04 00/09 ETOR/     0022/... 0221/...



 N4903.8/E0826.8        185 CLB                 227009     EDFF

BADLI       016 Y163    184 438 432 00/02 00/11 ETIE/     0026/... 0218/...



 N4847.3/E0821.1        192 CLB                 252008     EDFF

PABLA       016 Y163    191 452 449 00/02 00/13 EDTK/     0029/... 0214/...



 N4829.4/E0814.6        193 CLB                 201006     EDFF

HERBI       019 Y163    193 462 457 00/02 00/16 EDTB/     0032/... 0211/...



 N4821.5/E0812.1        193 CLB                 247021     EDFF

TOC         008 Y164    191 454 442 00/01 00/17 EDTB/     0033/... 0210/...



 N4814.7/E0809.2        193 340                 247021     EDFF

MOPAN       000 Y164    191 450 438 00/00 00/17 LPPT/     0033/... 0210/...



 N4718.2/E0737.7        203 340                 260018     LSZH

OLBEN       032 Y164    201 450 441 00/04 00/21 LPPT/     0037/... 0206/...



 N4709.9/E0722.2        229 340                 260018     LSZH

LUTIX       014 UN869   228 450 435 00/01 00/23 LPPT/     0039/... 0204/...



 N4703.4/E0710.3        235 340                 285022     LSZH

BENOT       010 UN869   233 450 437 00/01 00/25 LPPT/     0040/... 0203/...



 N4654.7/E0654.4        232 340                 285022     LSZH

NEMOS       014 UN869   230 450 438 00/01 00/26 LPPT/     0042/... 0201/...



 N4643.6/E0634.3        233 CLB                 285022     LSZH

VEROX       018 UN869   231 450 437 00/02 00/29 LPPT/     0044/... 0199/...



 N4618.1/E0552.7        231 360                 285022     LFRR

MILPA       038 UN869   229 447 435 00/05 00/34 LPPT/     0049/... 0194/...



 N4608.8/E0533.1        236 360                 297028     LFRR

NINTU       017 UN869   232 447 435 00/02 00/36 LPPT/     0051/... 0192/...



 N4542.4/E0438.9        239 360                 297032     LFRR

MEBAK       046 UN869   236 447 432 00/06 00/43 LPPT/     0057/... 0187/...



 N4531.3/E0416.5        238 360                 297032     LFRR

REPSI       019 UN869   234 447 433 00/02 00/45 LPPT/     0059/... 0184/...



 N4515.4/E0345.0        238 360                 303036     LFRR

LERGA       027 UN869   233 447 435 00/03 00/49 LPPT/     0062/... 0181/...



 N4457.4/E0310.0        238 360                 308038     LFRR

MOKDI       031 UN869   234 447 437 00/04 00/53 LPPT/     0066/... 0177/...



 N4447.0/E0250.2        239 360                 308038     LFRR

OLRAK       017 UN869   234 447 436 00/02 00/56 LPPT/     0068/... 0175/...



 N4437.8/E0229.3        242 360                 319051     LFRR

ROMAK       018 UN869   236 447 441 00/02 00/58 LPPT/     0070/... 0173/...



 N4417.7/E0144.9        245 360                 322053     LFRR

NARAK       038 UN869   238 447 442 00/05 01/03 LPPT/     0075/... 0169/...



 N4353.2/E0052.3        246 360                 314060     LFRR

AGN 114.80  044 UN869   238 447 433 00/06 01/10 LPPT/     0080/... 0163/...



 N4319.9/E0008.7        232 360                 314060     LFRR

TBO 113.90  047 UN869   224 447 447 00/06 01/16 LPPT/     0086/... 0158/...



 N4258.3/W0058.7        255 360                 307071     LECM

LURAN       053 UN995   247 447 412 00/07 01/23 LPPT/     0093/... 0151/...



 N4244.0/W0142.1        255 360                 295077     LECM

PPN 112.30  035 UN995   247 447 396 00/05 01/29 LPPT/     0097/... 0146/...



 N4237.8/W0209.3        258 360                 295077     LECM

MIRPO       021 UN976   251 447 392 00/03 01/32 LPPT/     0100/... 0143/...



 N4227.1/W0252.8        261 360                 296084     LECM

DGO 112.60  033 UN976   253 447 386 00/05 01/37 LPPT/     0105/... 0139/...



 N4201.6/W0406.5        254 360                 296084     LECM

NEA 116.75  061 UN976   246 447 395 00/09 01/46 LPPT/     0113/... 0130/...



 N4131.8/W0538.3        255 360                 287081     LECM

ZMR 117.10  075 UN976   248 447 386 00/11 01/58 LPPT/     0123/... 0120/...



 N4118.4/W0616.6        255 360                 282098     LECM

NETOS       031 UN976   247 447 369 00/05 02/03 LPPT/     0128/... 0116/...



 N4107.7/W0646.6        253 360                 278085     LPPC

NINOS       025 UN976   247 447 377 00/03 02/07 LPPT/     0131/... 0112/...



 N4102.4/W0705.0        259 360                 276107     LPPC

BABEX       015 UN976   253 447 351 00/02 02/10 LPPT/     0134/... 0110/...



 N4043.4/W0753.1        252 360                 276107     LPPC

VIS 113.10  041 UN976   244 447 358 00/06 02/17 LPPT/     0140/... 0104/...



 N4025.7/W0803.3        219 360                 276107     LPPC

ABETO       020 UN872   205 447 416 00/02 02/19 LPPT/     0142/... 0101/...



 N3955.6/W0821.1        219 360                 276107     LPPC

TOD         033 UN872   206 447 414 00/04 02/24 LPPT/     0146/... 0097/...



 N3939.9/W0829.5        218 DSC                 274104     LPPC

FTM 113.50  017 UN872   206 467 450 00/02 02/26 LPPR/     0147/... 0097/...



 N3927.2/W0839.9        226 DSC                 277098     LPPC

AIREZ       014 FTM7B   215 464 422 00/02 02/28 LPPT/     0147/... 0097/...



 N3859.6/W0902.4        227 DSC                 280072     LPPC

LAR 382.0   033 FTM7B   216 366 343 00/05 02/34 LPPT/     0148/... 0096/...



 N3846.4/W0908.0        209 DSC                 257029     LPPC

LPPT        014 FTM7B   203 240 225 00/03 02/38 LPPT/     0148/... 0095/...





So the winds match perfectly with the winds shown in the ASv6. Only the name of the weather station is not correct as starting with waypoint MOPAN I only find LPPT (which is definitely not the nearest station for waypoints in Switzerland, France and Spain). And of course the correct weatherstations are in the snapshot file and in the station list. So this is only an error displaying the wrong stations but the winds are correct and in sync with the ASv6 Navlog.

So now let's do the same with ASA. There is one thing you should be aware, if you are not living in US. If you have your Windows regional settings set for your country (like me for Austria), then you might have the comma as the decimal seperator. And then ASA produces the wx_station_list.txt with coordinates using the comma as decimal seperator. And by the way: In difference to ASv6 this file is also written every time you download new weather. So by hard changing the comma to the "." you get the same format back you had before. FSBuild does not check the regional settings and always takes the decimal point. I found this in another post in this forum. The only difference is, that there are now much more stations including thos $xxx stations. Without changing this setting, you get totally wrong stations.

Here the ASA result:

Code:
               AUSTRIAN VIRTUAL - COMPANY FLIGHT PLAN

FLT REL IFR AUA668   EDDF-25R/LPPT-03  MACH 78  A/C  A320-214 / CFM56-5

           FUEL  TIME    CORR   TOGWT    LDGWT   AVG W/C

TAXI      000480 0016  . . . .  149800   134774  M029

DEST LPPT 015026 0239  . . . .  ELEV. 374 FT

RESV      000902 0010  . . . .

ALTN      001581 0017  . . . .  ALTN LPFR   DIST  119

HOLD      001773 0020  . . . .

EXTRA     005318 0100  . . . .  ZFW 125200      PAYLOAD 031700

TTL AT TO 024600 0426  . . . .                  DIST  1091

REQD      025080 0442  . . . .                  ETD  1200



CLB BIAS +0.0%  CRZ BIAS +0.0%   DSC BIAS +0.0%

DEP BIAS 0 MIN 0 DIST 0 FUEL, ARR BIAS 0 MIN 0 FUEL



EDDF ANEK5L ANEKI Y163 HERBI Y164 OLBEN UN869 TBO UN995 PPN UN976 VIS UN872 FTM FTM7B LPPT/0239



                        M/H FL                   WIND      ATC

TO          NM  AWY     M/C TAS G/S   ZT  ACTME STA/CODE   ACBO ABO REM AREM



 N5001.7/E0831.1        271 CLB                 018005     EDFF

DF134       002 ANEK6G  270 154 155 00/00 00/00 EDDF/     0002/... 0243/...



 N5001.0/E0830.1        271 CLB                 018005     EDFF

DF141       001 ANEK6G  270 155 156 00/00 00/00 EDDF/     0002/... 0243/...



 N4958.9/E0828.9        203 CLB                 018005     EDFF

DF143       003 ANEK6G  203 163 167 00/01 00/02 EDDF/     0005/... 0240/...



 N4957.9/E0831.7        116 CLB                 018005     EDFF

DF137       002 ANEK6G  117 221 221 00/00 00/02 EDDF/     0007/... 0238/...



 N4946.9/E0832.4        175 CLB                 017013     EDFF

RID 112.20  011 ANEK6G  176 272 284 00/02 00/05 EDDF/     0013/... 0232/...



 N4919.0/E0828.8        186 CLB                 330009     EDFF

ANEKI       027 ANEK6G  185 367 374 00/04 00/09 EDDF/     0022/... 0223/...



 N4903.8/E0826.8        192 CLB                 253064     EDFF

BADLI       016 Y163    184 438 415 00/02 00/11 ETIE/     0026/... 0219/...



 N4847.3/E0821.1        198 CLB                 253064     EDFF

PABLA       016 Y163    191 452 422 00/02 00/14 ETIE/     0029/... 0216/...



 N4829.4/E0814.6        194 CLB                 240011     EDFF

HERBI       019 Y163    193 462 455 00/02 00/16 EDSB/     0032/... 0213/...



 N4821.5/E0812.1        193 CLB                 233019     EDFF

TOC         008 Y164    191 454 440 00/01 00/17 EDSB/     0034/... 0211/...



 N4814.7/E0809.2        193 340                 233019     EDFF

MOPAN       000 Y164    191 450 436 00/00 00/17 LPOT/     0034/... 0211/...



 N4718.2/E0737.7        202 340                 242019     LSZH

OLBEN       046 Y164    201 450 437 00/06 00/23 LPOT/     0039/... 0206/...



 N4709.9/E0722.2        230 340                 263020     LSZH

LUTIX       014 UN869   228 450 434 00/01 00/25 LPOT/     0041/... 0204/...



 N4703.4/E0710.3        235 340                 263020     LSZH

BENOT       010 UN869   233 450 433 00/01 00/27 LPOT/     0042/... 0203/...



 N4654.7/E0654.4        231 340                 263020     LSZH

NEMOS       014 UN869   230 450 434 00/01 00/29 LPOT/     0044/... 0201/...



 N4643.6/E0634.3        232 CLB                 263020     LSZH

VEROX       018 UN869   231 450 433 00/02 00/31 LPOT/     0046/... 0199/...



 N4618.1/E0552.7        230 360                 263020     LFRR

MILPA       038 UN869   229 447 431 00/05 00/36 LPOT/     0051/... 0194/...



 N4608.8/E0533.1        235 360                 283024     LFRR

NINTU       017 UN869   232 447 432 00/02 00/39 LPOT/     0053/... 0192/...



 N4542.4/E0438.9        238 360                 283024     LFRR

MEBAK       046 UN869   236 447 431 00/06 00/45 LPOT/     0059/... 0186/...



 N4531.3/E0416.5        237 360                 285030     LFRR

REPSI       019 UN869   234 447 428 00/02 00/48 LPOT/     0061/... 0184/...



 N4515.4/E0345.0        237 360                 286032     LFRR

LERGA       027 UN869   233 447 428 00/03 00/52 LPOT/     0065/... 0180/...



 N4457.4/E0310.0        237 360                 286032     LFRR

MOKDI       031 UN869   234 447 428 00/04 00/56 LPOT/     0068/... 0177/...



 N4447.0/E0250.2        238 360                 285038     LFRR

OLRAK       017 UN869   234 447 423 00/02 00/58 LPOT/     0071/... 0174/...



 N4437.8/E0229.3        241 360                 301042     LFRR

ROMAK       018 UN869   236 447 430 00/02 01/01 LPOT/     0073/... 0172/...



 N4417.7/E0144.9        243 360                 301042     LFRR

NARAK       038 UN869   238 447 428 00/05 01/06 LPOT/     0077/... 0168/...



 N4353.2/E0052.3        244 360                 307052     LFRR

AGN 114.80  044 UN869   238 447 429 00/06 01/12 LPOT/     0083/... 0162/...



 N4319.9/E0008.7        231 360                 307052     LFRR

TBO 113.90  047 UN869   224 447 442 00/06 01/19 LPOT/     0089/... 0156/...



 N4258.3/W0058.7        253 360                 311053     LECM

LURAN       053 UN995   247 447 424 00/07 01/26 LPOT/     0095/... 0150/...



 N4244.0/W0142.1        256 360                 303084     LECM

PPN 112.30  035 UN995   247 447 401 00/05 01/31 LPOT/     0100/... 0145/...



 N4237.8/W0209.3        260 360                 303084     LECM

MIRPO       021 UN976   251 447 396 00/03 01/35 LPOT/     0103/... 0142/...



 N4227.1/W0252.8        262 360                 302086     LECM

DGO 112.60  033 UN976   253 447 391 00/05 01/40 LPOT/     0107/... 0138/...



 N4201.6/W0406.5        255 360                 302086     LECM

NEA 116.75  061 UN976   246 447 401 00/09 01/49 LPOT/     0115/... 0130/...



 N4131.8/W0538.3        256 360                 295082     LECM

ZMR 117.10  075 UN976   248 447 393 00/11 02/00 LPOT/     0125/... 0120/...



 N4118.4/W0616.6        255 360                 290089     LECM

NETOS       031 UN976   247 447 384 00/04 02/05 LPOT/     0130/... 0115/...



 N4107.7/W0646.6        254 360                 287086     LPPC

NINOS       025 UN976   247 447 384 00/03 02/09 LPOT/     0133/... 0112/...



 N4102.4/W0705.0        260 360                 287086     LPPC

BABEX       015 UN976   253 447 378 00/02 02/11 LPOT/     0135/... 0110/...



 N4043.4/W0753.1        254 360                 284119     LPPC

VIS 113.10  041 UN976   244 447 358 00/06 02/18 LPOT/     0141/... 0104/...



 N4025.7/W0803.3        221 360                 284119     LPPC

ABETO       020 UN872   205 447 429 00/02 02/21 LPOT/     0144/... 0101/...



 N3955.6/W0821.1        222 360                 280125     LPPC

TOD         033 UN872   206 447 419 00/04 02/26 LPOT/     0148/... 0097/...



 N3939.9/W0829.5        222 DSC                 281134     LPPC

FTM 113.50  017 UN872   206 464 450 00/02 02/28 LPMR/     0148/... 0097/...



 N3927.2/W0839.9        230 DSC                 283124     LPPC

AIREZ       014 FTM7B   215 464 423 00/02 02/30 LPMR/     0148/... 0097/...



 N3859.6/W0902.4        226 DSC                 282064     LPPC

LAR 382.0   033 FTM7B   216 366 345 00/05 02/35 LPMR/     0149/... 0096/...



 N3846.4/W0908.0        208 DSC                 253023     LPPC

LPPT        014 FTM7B   203 240 227 00/03 02/39 LPOT/     0150/... 0095/...





As you can see, FSBuild now depicts LPOT as the nearest station starting with MOPAN. But the winds again might be correct - we cannot check this as obviously the winds are interpolated like temperature.

So there might be a chance to circumvent this: There is now produced an additional file "current_synthesized_wx.txt" in the same format like the snapshot file. Maybe taking these data for winds aloft will produce the same data as in the ASA Navlog.

Ernie, perhaps you check this with the Hifi Development team. And if it is possible to you please look after the small display bug on the Navlog.

Sorry for the long post but maybe it helps to solve th problem.

Best regards
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Hi,

Just another finding: The "wx_station_list.txt" file has now a different format with ASA. At ASv6 there are 4 columns and at ASA there are only 3 columns and the 3rd column is always 0.0. So Hifi has changed something !

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aua668 wrote:
Hi,

Just another finding: The "wx_station_list.txt" file has now a different format with ASA. At ASv6 there are 4 columns and at ASA there are only 3 columns and the 3rd column is always 0.0. So Hifi has changed something !

Rgds
Reinhard


aua668,

Not HiFi, nor the FSBuild developers are paying attention to our claims. So I suggest the following:

Wind Aloft predictability is NOT 100% accurate in real life. It always varies. FSBuild and AS6.5 gave us 100% accuracy/predictability. We'll have to live with the fact FSBuild DOES produce the correct winds reported at the nearest stations, but ASA does not use them.

I'll try disabling WDC in ASA to see if this changes anything. As for the WxStations having another format, I don't think that could be a problem. That file serves as a reference to FSBuild to determine 'which' station to use based on proximity to the waypoint. Having an aditional column will not brake things. However, the decimal thing you mention might indeed cause problems, but I'm in the US, so for me this is a non issue and I still see wrong winds reported.


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Hi Bojote,

I am quite sure, that Ernie will support this. I have seen in the past, that he always provides excellent support. But I think he needs time to check this in detail.

There is another interesting detail which I have found out in the meanwhile: When I use ASA to download the latest data the snapshot file in the ASA directory AND the ASv6 directory is updated. But only in the ASA directory the wx_station_list.txt file got updated too. Perhaps this is only in my case where I have bought the upgrade version from ASv6 to ASA ?

I am quite sure, that there will be a fix. The Hifi Forum was offline for some time and let's see, if they find out something. These guys are also very responsive to questions/issues compared to other companies (like Wilco). I think, the more facts we are finding the easier it will be to solve this issue.

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I don't have ASA, so I can't really look into directly.

There might be some difference in either the snapshot file or the wx stations file.

If someone sends me there snapshot and wx files, then I can check it out further.

I'd also need to know the path, that the ASA file ins normally installed in.

Regards.
Ernie.

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ErnieAlston wrote:
If someone sends me there snapshot and wx files, then I can check it out further.


Hi Ernie, (sample wx_station_list.txt and current_wx_snapshot.txt at the end)

ASA now writes the 'wx_station_list.txt' and 'current_wx_snapshot.txt' to the
following directory in Windows XP:

C:\Documents and Settings\USERNAME\Application Data\HiFi\ASA\Weather

FSBuild needs to point to that directory (which, by the way is hidden)
The relevant entry on fsbuild.cfg:

AS6=C:\Documents and Settings\USERNAME\Application Data\HiFi\ASA\Weather

ASA reads the weather from that file just fine. The problem is very simple:

The algorithm used to 'determine' which Wx station to use for a specific waypoint
varies considerably in ASA and FSBuild, and here (in my personal opinion) is where the efforts
should be focused. Take the following example:

You build a plan (in FSBuild) from point A to point Z. Along the way, you have Wx Stations, not
necesarily located over the specific waypoints you fly, but close. FSBuild uses the 'wx_station_list.txt' (which also contains latitude, longitude) to determine 'which' Wx Station is 'closer' to the waypoint you will be
overflying. I'm I correct?

FSBuild then 'pairs' the specific waypoint to its corresponding Wx Station (based on
proximity). FSBuild knows what 'conditions' are over that specific waypoint by looking up and parsing current_wx_snapshot.txt for the WxStation ID. each station contains a METAR and Winds aloft for different Flight Levels.

having aditional Wx Stations, will not break things, will make them more 'accurate', assuming, of course, the Lat and Lon coordinates for this stations is accurate.
I can confirm, that the current_wx_snapshot.txt file has the exact same format in AS6.5 and ASA, file format is NOT the problem either!

Now, here is what I think:

Either ASA does NOT determine what WxStation to use based on its proximity to a waypoint.
or FSBuild has the algorithm to make this calculation all wrong (implying ASA is correct)

So, the question that needs to be answered:
How does ASA determine what Wx Station to use for the waypoints along the way?
Is FSBuild using a similar algorithm?

When ASA processes the weather (using a flight plan) its calculations do not match those in FSbuild. ASA
will 'enforce' those calculations by 'depicting' and injecting that weather enroute making FSBUild navlog
winds aloft useless.

I sent the files to your 'compuserve' address


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Hi,

I also sent an example to your address including the resulting ASA navlog.
There is a difference in file formats between ASv6 and ASA.

Here the ASv6 staion list:
Code:
AGGH,-9.421,160.052,9,9.1
AGGL,-10.7,165.8,3,10.1
AGGM,-8.32,157.262,2,8.4
ANAU,-0.55,166.915,6,9
AYGN,-10.310,150.334,20,7.4


Here the ASA station list:
Code:
AGGH,-9.417,160.050,0.0
AGGL,-10.683,165.800,0.0
AGGM,-8.317,157.267,0.0
ANYN,-0.550,166.917,0.0
AYGA,-6.083,145.400,0.0


You easily can see, that there are more columns within the ASv6 file. You have both files in your mail too. And if you have the regional setting in a way, that the comma is your decimal seperator, then you will get commas instead of the decimal points.

And by the way, they also changed the coordinates of the weatherstaions also a little bit.

Rgds
Reinhard


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aua668 wrote:
Hi,
There is a difference in file formats between ASv6 and ASA.


Try copying the station list file from AS6 in the ASA Weather directory. You'll see it doesn't fix anything. You'll only notice FSBuild will have less stations to choose from.

Make sure you don't let ASA update the weather as you do this test, because now ASA updates the station list everytime it downloads the weather.

Again, my point is: The format change you see is irrelevant to the problem in terms of the results you get, please, test for yourself.


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aua668 wrote:
Hi,

I also sent an example to your address including the resulting ASA navlog.
There is a difference in file formats between ASv6 and ASA.


Reinhard,

I ran the program with the files you sent, couldn't reproduce any of the reported issues.

The WX station , and the Winds appear to be correct in my Navlogs.

I also did not encounter the wrong Wx station with either
ASv6, or the AsA snapshot files you sent.

There's no issue with the additional columns in the Wx station file
as FSB2 ignores everything after the lat,lon columns, so bojote is correct
on that point.

Is the snapshot file you sent me, the same file that you used when you
got the errors ?

We did have an Asv6 hotfix back in December, because some additional data added to the snapshot file couldn't be handled by FSB resulting in a CTD.

Though that issue pre-dates the AsA release, maybe trying the last posted
hotfix may help.

I tried your AsA snapshot file with an earlier version of FSB, and got a CTD, so the hotfix may not make a difference for you, or maybe you already have it .

If not , see this thread for more details.

http://fsbuild.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2155

I have attached my results. If you look at both the Asv6, and the AsA Navlogs from my runs, you'll noticed the Wx station listed is different for the 'MOPAN' waypoint.

Regards.
Ernie.


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